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sjellic2's avatar

"What if the sense of alienation provoked by the internet is not an indication of isolation or “loneliness,” but rather a pessimism or even nihilism resulting from the fact that civil society’s excess of political consciousness has “nowhere to go” in the existing structures of politics?"

Why not both? An internet-mediated civic and social consciousness seems like it offers the worst of both worlds, it is both so unembodied and non-human as to satiate none of the human animal's needs for socialization and companionship but also an extremely potent drug for stoking the sense of collective outrage and disgust and alienation that dissolves the legitimacy of the institutions stuck with the burden of existing in actual real life.

It's a good point well made that there is something deeply connective and collectivist about politics via screens that the "atomization" frame elides, we do find a community of sorts among the quasi-anonymous strangers in that void. But I don't think that necessarily refutes the view that such a "civil society" is toxic soil from which only a paranoid, non-materially grounded and fundamentally destructive politics can grow, with the left's refraction through these same channels over the past decade offering a pretty stark example.

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Joshua Howard's avatar

I know you’re not one of the leftists who look back on a decade of mobbing and cancellation from the left with apologetics because Trump is worse but please explain the glaring inconsistency here. Why was that period of “exhorting people to attack their opponents online and flag posts that express inappropriate views,” of “armies of citizens getting people fired,” of tirades against free speech in the name of some bogus arguments about freedom of association, of “online threats and employer pressure, sometimes promoted from the White House” not also “analogous to classic fascist mobilization,” even though different in form? Could we call it left fascism after Adorno or Habermas? Or is Trumpism not in fact analogous to classic fascist mobilization because it’s just analogous to plain old classic mobilization?

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